Goals! We all have them, but do we get the results we are driving for?

Getting results isn’t always easy to do. If it were, we most likely would not take the time to put energy into achieving it because it would come easy to us. That’s why it’s a goal. It’s something that challenges us, takes us out of our comfort zone, and puts us on our desired path.

This week, I had the opportunity to speak to Kellan Fluckiger, author and speaker. Kellan came through decades of addiction, depression, and a near-death experience. He shares his story of overcoming each of those obstacles and becoming a catalyst for living your ultimate life, which also happens to be the name of his podcast!

Kellan shares the 5 steps that will help you achieve any goal from his book “The Results Equation: Dream to Done in Five Simple Steps”

About Kellan Fluckiger

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Kellan Fluckiger – Executive / Speaker / Performer / Catalyst

Coming through decades of depression, addictions, life-threatening illness, and a near-death experience, Kellan has become the ultimate catalyst to help motivated people melt barriers, move mountains and mobilize superpowers to achieve their true desires.

 As a coach and keynote speaker, Kellan’s masterful approach helps people get past old stories, change beliefs and create a life context to reach even goals that seemed impossible.

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Deanna: [00:00:00] Hello. And welcome back to Business Coffee break with Deanna. Deanna Hinsz, is a digital marketing strategist speaker, a proud supporter of messy hair buttons and comfy clothes. And multi-purpose entrepreneur that believes that everyone can create a life they love each week. I’m bringing you information that will inspire, educate, and challenge you in growing your business online.

Thanks for spending time with me today. So grab your coffee and let’s go.

Well, thank you so much Kaelin for joining me today. As I said, Kaelin is an author, a speaker performer, executive catalyst, he is flipping amazing and has so much energy. Just the short time that I spoke to him. You can just see the energy just oozing out of his poor. So Kellen, thank you so much for joining me today.

Kellan: Deanna, thank you for having me. And I want to honor you because a podcast, [00:01:00] video, audio, both either is a labor of love. You do a lot of work, you pour your heart and soul into it. You have a purpose and mission. And I love those people that have gotten mission-driven lives. And so I want to honor you for the effort and work you’re putting in for yourself and for your audio.

Well, thank you so much Kellan and Kellan. I’m going to have you say your last name because I will slaughter it. Yeah. You know, it’s funny because in the industry I was in, I was in the energy industry for 30 years, from 1977 to 2007. And I had, you know, really high profile, high profile executive and this, that, and the other, but either because my last name is so complex.

Or because I was such a high-profile person, which is also true. I bodyguard at one time. Anyway, I was a one-name person. Kellen is Kellen coming, you know, Kellen this, calling that, but anyway, the last name is pronounced fluky girl flew key. It’s weird. It’s Swiss and I love it. You know, I love names that are unique and [00:02:00] everybody’s slaughtered my name too.

Deanna: So my maiden name, and then they mispronounced my, my married name. And I’m okay with that because it’s different. That’s what everybody does. It’s. Yeah. That’s my first thought was because it doesn’t have the E in it, but I, I would’ve thought hints, but most people will say Hines and I cried some, so, so I get it.

And I appreciate you helping me out with that. So, Kelly. you have written some books. And one book that I really want to talk about today is the result equation. And the reason that I want to talk about that is that the subtitle is from “The Results Equation: Dream to Done in Five Simple Steps” and your podcast, You Have the Ultimate Lifhttps://your-ultimate-life-by-kellan-fluckiger.simplecast.com/episodese, right?

That’s what you’re talking about all the time is how to create. Amazing and wonderful life. So let’s start with before we get into how to actually do this and what these five steps look like. How did you get [00:03:00] started speaking on this topic and writing on this topic? 

Kellan: I had a 30-year career, as I mentioned, energy and a big hoopla and a lot of money.

Yeah. Fame and all that jazz, but behind the scenes, I was a very unhappy, miserable person. I’d struggled with depression all my life. I was raised in a very strict religious home, which included a lot of discipline that today would be felony child abuse. I would have been removed from the home, that sort of thing.

It left me feeling not good enough. And even though I was blessed with a lot of brains that the drive that I had to accomplish something was all based on. I got approved myself to particularly my mom because she was the one. The discipline. My dad was there, but he was working most of the time. So anyway, I lived and I never talked to anyone.

It was all private hide it. So I lived a dual life, a life of ostentatious wealth, power, and position on the outside. And behind the scenes, I was a wreck. I burned through multiple relationships. I had addiction issues. I struggled. And it was like a movie where [00:04:00] you have whoa, on one side and oh crap on the other side.

So it was kind of like that. And that went on for 35 years. From the time I left home 17 until 52 and at 52, in 2007, I basically had a divine intervention. God said, look, you know, this isn’t a. And obviously, there’s never any force involved. It’s always an invitation, but the invitation was so strong and powerful that I got sober.

In one day I was addicted to cocaine at $3,000 a week and I was making so much money. That didn’t matter. It was lunch money, but I was a rack disaster wasting money, like crazy and living a company. Dual life, like, you know, life in the fast lane, kind of nonsense and it’s tragic. And the only reason it’s important now is two reasons.

One, it created in me and a tremendous sense of empathy and patience and compassion for [00:05:00] those that are struggling with any kind of barrier. And the other reason is after the invitation, which there were two parts. And the second part brought the wife, my wife, joy and her name’s joy into my life 14 years ago in a magic occurrence that can’t happen either.

Um, in a way that has allowed me to pursue my ultimate life, which is to help right now, my. Go with my, my near-term goal is to help 10 million people discover, develop, and serve with their divine gifts. And that’s through writing and podcasting. I have a coaching practice. I run seminars, that kind of stuff.

Uh, amazing. I don’t even know where to begin with all that you don’t mental health and addiction is pretty common. I think everybody who’s listening, everybody that we come in contact with knows. One person who’s dealing with either one or both of those things. How did you know? I know you said there was a divine [00:06:00] intervention and in one day you got sober.

Deanna: How did you do that? Like what spoke to you? And I know everybody is different, but

Kellan: Friday night, a Friday night in August of 2007, this was at the height of everything. I was making that so much money that kind of waste on drugs didn’t matter. But I was a total disaster. I came home on a Friday night in August of 2007.

And, uh, was getting ready to go out and party for the weekend. I have 10 children from three failed marriages. Uh, and four of them were teenagers living with me and I was a single dad for the third time. And so I, I was getting ready to go out party for the weekend and it literally would have been until Monday or Tuesday.

And, um, as I ready to go out. I had this urge to turn on the TV. Now that doesn’t sound like anything, except they didn’t watch TV. And I didn’t even know how to turn it on. I’d had the local electronics people come in and put in the biggest, coolest, you know, all that jazz you can have because of course that’s [00:07:00] what you buy.

Right. But I didn’t watch the, so I didn’t even know how to turn it on. So I had to have one of my kids come in and show me how to turn it on. My 16-year-old daughter turned it on remote, threw it at me, stomped out of the room. And so Atlanta. I didn’t know any programs, but it landed accidentally on a program titled Intervention.

Now, Intervention, if you don’t know, as a reality TV show about families who stage interventions for busted loved ones. Yay. So I watched about 10 minutes of it and the protagonist was a high-ranking executive of the cocaine problem. So I’m sitting, thinking, okay, that’s me screw this. I’m not watching it.

So I turned it off something around the house for a few more minutes and getting ready to go out. And I just felt compelled to turn it on again. So this is known quite a bit later, 15, 20 minutes after the later. And that program started over at the beginning and no, I don’t have a DVR and no, it wasn’t on the schedule and no, it can’t do that.

So I thought, okay, I’m supposed to watch this scared me to death actually. So I sat down and watched it. It went really badly. The guy yelled at [00:08:00] his family, stomped out, wouldn’t take the help. You know, it went really badly, but that scared me enough that I didn’t go out. And when. So when I went to bed, I went to help.

And what I mean by that is I was in a out of body somewhere. I had this experience of everything that had happened in my life from when I was young and had the crap beat out of me all the time to my own, it all focused around the sorrow. The pain and suffering that I had either been given or that I had inflicted on others.

So it was this long, slow drama, not in an angry, screaming way at anybody, but just the truth rolling out before my eyes. And after a long time I heard a voice and it said it is enough and it wasn’t an angry voice. It just, it is enough. So I came to. I woke up, came to whatever, and it was Saturday afternoon at five o’clock.

So 18 hours. I had been somewhere and I [00:09:00] realized I got up, but I realized. I had been invited in the most profound way, suitable for my thick-headedness, I suppose, to change my life. And I knew I have to get out of the business. I have to get out of this industry. I have to completely walk away from all this.

So I got up and I threw a thousand dollars worth of stuff away that I had laying around and quit cold turkey and never touched the. And, and that was for part one part it’s because that got me sober, but it didn’t do anything with the decades of depression that I had never talked to anyone about two weeks later, I hadn’t resigned or the contracts that I had, and I had millions of dollars worth of contracts, but I walked away from, I walked away from the entire industry.

All of it. But before I did that two weeks later, because of the position that I held, I used to get free stuff. I made decisions that were worth billions of dollars to different companies. And people were really nice to me. They gave me stuff, you know, tickets and expensive bottles of wine and you know, all that kind of stuff.

And [00:10:00] one of the things I got were two tickets to see a Yo-yo Ma. And if you’re classical, I think about classical music, you know who that is. If you don’t, you know, it’s fine, but he’s like, Right. Okay. Well, I didn’t want to waste this other ticket and I’m single for the third time. So I went to the groups that I managed and I said, who likes classical music?

And some lady in one of the groups said, well, I do. And I said, if I ever given you anything before, and she said, no, I said, okay, fine here. See you there. So I gave her the ticket and we met at a concert and we halfway through the show and it was electrifying amazing. I had this feeling that I recognized from two weeks before and I’m stone cold, sober.

Now two weeks. Straight up. And this feeling came over me and the voice said to me, you need to marry this woman. I said, you’re insane. I said, I failed spectacularly at that three times officially in some other stuff in between us. Yeah, no, not happening. And later that night we were backstage because of course they were backstage passes.

[00:11:00] So we’re back there meeting people and everything. And then I came back and said, comma, and you need to tell her tonight. Yeah, cause she can call a cop. She can have me arrested for harassment. I should come on. I don’t even know her that well, like this is nuts.

Well, she worked in my group for a long time, but I, one of the pillars that I managed, I did not very well. I mean, I knew who she was, but anyway, I argued like crazy, but you don’t win those arguments. So I did. And it went about like, you would have expected, are you crazy? She didn’t call the cops. So that was good, you know, or, you know, Sue me with harassment or something.

But anyway, within, within two weeks, After that, which was now with four weeks, from my initial experience, she had her own set of experiences and. Resigned from her very [00:12:00] beautiful career. She was a project manager, made good money and walked off into the sunset with a drug addict. And we celebrated our 40th anniversary two weeks ago.

And her name is Joy. Like you can’t make this stuff up. And the reason that was the second half of this intervention as she was the angel that was brought to help me deal with the other half of the problem, which was the depression. Everybody in the office knew I was an addict. They didn’t know, but they knew, you know, rumors and stuff.

So she was unflagging in her support, finding me somebody to talk to for the first time in my life who tell the truth to learn, to have a friend, to learn, to be a friend, to learn, to know what it was like to even. I mean, like I had never talked to anyone the truth about what I felt like ever inside. And she, that was hers.

And I’ve asked her a million times, like, what on earth possessed you to quit that job that you had and walk off into the sunset with a drug addict. I said, what were you thinking? And she said, you know, I don’t know. Except I knew [00:13:00] to the core of my soul, it was the right thing. So that’s the divine intervention.

Deanna: Yes, it is multiple times about goosebumps listening to that and kudos to you. I mean, honestly, for listening to that voice, because how many times do we hear that voice? Try to guide us or push us and we ignore it. We do, we do mostly. So. Not only did you, you listened multiple times. Uh, you changed your entire life based off of that.

And obviously it was definitely for the better, because now you are inspiring other people to do the same and to live these amazing lives. How long after that happened, did you say. You know, I think I’m going to write a book or I think I’m going to start speaking and teach others how to do it. 

Kellan: It took three or four years for me to even learn, to tell the truth, to talk to enough counselors, to not psychoanalyze myself and pretend like I had [00:14:00] control of everything.

And after three or four years, so 2008, 9, 10, 11. Uh, I wrote my first book series on meditation in 2000. Nine 10, I think. And then started writing books. I wrote my own story, tight rope of depression after that. And then the CQL called down from the gallows. And then I started writing business books, the results equation and others.

And then I wrote one called the story arc, which is about how to write books because I realized I’d created a really good system to do that because I wasn’t an author. I hadn’t ever imagined myself as an author. Now I love it. And I’ve written 16 books and I have seven underway. So it’s, and I’ve run classes for like three or four times a year, but small ones, five or six people at a time in 90 days for, in 90 days to finish a book.

And I helped him do that. It’s just become, because so many people have stories to tell so many people have truth to share. So many people have experiences that they know in their heart would do somebody, some good, but they’re afraid to do it. And they said, wow, I [00:15:00] don’t know. Nobody would listen. I don’t really know.

I don’t know how to do it. It’s so hard. I don’t have time. Maybe later when fill in the blank. You know, and so I don’t do anything. I do one thing. I, I, I, I don’t do anything except I do one thing from the first breath to last I’m committed to helping 10 million people discover, develop, and serve with their divine gifts.

Whether I’m doing music, kind of recording studio. I did an album of music with each of the two depression books, tight rope, and down from the gallows. Uh, I write books. I do a podcast. Get to meet beautiful people like you and your audience. And my only purpose is that. So you said you wanted to talk about the results of Malaysian.

Deanna: I, yes, I do. And what are the five steps? I mean, you mentioned finding your divine gifts. How do you find your divine gifts? First of all? 

Kellan: First of all, you have to look, you have to look and you don’t look with a pick and shovel in the backyard. It’s not something you go dig up, [00:16:00] right? Yeah. People often say to me, well, I do more, but I’m not clear.

And I need some clarity. Well, clarity is overrated. It’s not found it is created. And yes, that rhymes, but yes, clarity is overrated. It is not found. It is created. And so you have to go act and you have to do things and you’ll discover them. Your heart is pulled in certain directions. And every single person listening to this right now knows exactly what I’m talking about.

And we mostly ignore that. And we mostly say this, that, and the other and learning to trust. The divine and intuition is one of the greatest gifts you can give yourself, let alone the people that you’re going to serve and will serve. The best gift you can give to the world is to be fully, authentically and completely yourself.

All in. No-holds-barred no excuses, open, loving, and in service. We’ll make more money. You’ll be happier and you’ll have an [00:17:00] exciting life every day. In fact, you’ll live the ultimate life. Yay. Yeah. 

Deanna: So let’s talk about that. The five states, I love that. So this is a bus business book I realized in my career.

Kellan: I was called on to do the mission, impossible stuff, no guns and bombs, but really difficult things. When there was a lot of money at stake, billions, often tens of billions sometimes, and a lot of angry people. And I got called in to fix things and I did it over and over again in the United States and Canada, I testified before Congress in the U S had a contract with the queen of England, all kinds of high-profile stuff.

And what I realized. Afterwards, when I start thinking about it was there’s a process. Every goal, no matter whether it’s creating a new product, making a million dollars, losing weight, finding your relationship has two parts. You’re here and you want to be here. Okay. I don’t care. You’re a, and you want to be beat that’s what you want.

[00:18:00] Okay. And what I noticed is that there is a very duplicable process to move from a to B no matter what a is, and no matter what B is. And so I created what I called the Results Equation. It’s five parts. I think I called it an equation because once upon a time I was a math major in college. And so maybe I like equations or something, but there’s no math in it.

It starts with being truthful and understanding where you are. So the first piece first step is up and they’re all acronyms up, stands for understanding. You have to be truthful and tell the truth about where you really are in the goal. You’re talking about. If it’s money, how much money do you really have right now?

How much are you making? Like, what is the truth here? No excuses, no drama. It’s sometime to beat up just. 

The second step. And there are several questions and steps in each of these, but that’s step one, step two is meet and that stands for mental earthquake. And the reason [00:19:00] I use the word mental earthquake is because the thinking attitudes, behaviors, beliefs, and everything that you have right now got you where you are.

So we have to have an earthquake. We have to change those. You have to become a new person. Okay. The doesn’t believe some of those things, it doesn’t accept that is easier said than done. But I wrote another book about that called the book of context about how to change beliefs. But anyway, so the mental earthquake part in there steps and processes in there.

It’s not just, okay. Go be somebody else, but you have to first recognize, look, the person I am got me where I am, and I don’t have to yell at. And I don’t have to be mad at him and I don’t have to hate them and I don’t have to make them bad, but I do have to recognize that my habits and beliefs and practices and actions got me here and now I want to be somewhere else.

So what habits and practices need to change? So I can be the person that creates this outcome [00:20:00] appear. No again, no drama. This isn’t flog yourself. It’s okay. It’s just truth. I have to do different things, be somebody else. All right. And then there’s a whole process and I use earthquake because you learn not only how to create power, because you need power to travel from here to here.

You don’t fall up the mountain, so right. You’ve got to create power to do that. So you have to create power and then you have to learn how to make that power rumble on command. And I use rumble on command, and that’s why I called the mental earthquake. Right. 

Deanna: Because it creates a visual. I can see that.

Kellan: And that’s the whole point. And step three is CF. Create the future here. Here’s the thing. Most of us have half-assed dreams and their wishes and they think, oh, it’d be so nice if I had a nice house and a big thing and auto in. Relatives this and my partner did better. And my partner supported me. I had a client right now that says man, but it would really be nice to have a, my wife doesn’t share my vision.

Look, [00:21:00] you can’t control anybody else. What you’re going to do is you’re either going to allow them to control you by the fact that they don’t support you right now. Are you going to go do what you want? And I don’t mean in a negative crummy way, but stop making excuses, stubborn, letting them be your excuse for failure.

So creating. 

Deanna: Oh good. That’s good. Because we do that. We do that a lot. It’s easier to deflect and say, well, it’s because of this. 

Kellan: Right. We played the victim. So I like that. We talk about the three DS, deflection, distraction and discouragement. So, you know, I’m trying to tell you the whole contents of a book and two minutes, but anyway, creating the future, the goal like you do, you do, you do, and I run 90.

I run 90 day workshops to help people with a specific goal. They come in small ones like five or six people. Here’s, here’s what you are now. Here’s what you’re going to do in 90 days. And then we use the results equation and we help you get there anyway, create the future. [00:22:00] The purpose of that is create a vision of the future.

That is so. And so powerful for you that it perpetually fires the drive to make it real. And that’s about visioning and how to create the truth, like details and feelings and reasons like why do you want it and how, how will it feel? And it’s all the pieces that people associate with the law of attraction kind of stuff.

That kind of powerful vision is really important. And you might do it with vision boards. You might do it in all kinds of other ways, but none of that is the key. The key is, does it fire your dry. Does the vision you have articulated this every time you read that vision out loud, you weep, you tremble, you get goosebumps, you pump your fist like this, that do that.

Then if it doesn’t get a new vision, fix it. Yes. Okay. All right. 

Step four is courageous plan. Courageous planning is the step that is contained in all kinds of books, about [00:23:00] goals and time-bound and all of the pieces that have to do with how to set and achieve goals. Uh, and so it’s very detailed. The key piece of that’s called a step map, which not only breaks the goal down into all the appropriate steps, but there’s a process where you assign times who’s going to do them.

How long they’ll take does it require money? And then you. Put that on your own personal calendar, this is especially important for solo preneurs, because you have so many things you’re doing and you think, well, I’m going to get this done in a month and you actually don’t count the hours it’s going to take and put them on your calendar.

And so you have no idea whether or not you’re going to get it done in a month. You just said that so you could feel good. So this is a process about turning the actions to get from a, to B into reality. By breaking them down, assigning times, putting them in the calendar, seeing if they fit, if they don’t fit in the time you want extend the goal, shrink the project or get some help.

I mean, this is not magic. [00:24:00] 

Deanna: Right, right. Yeah. And I’ve been guilty of doing that too, right? I’m like I’m setting a goal with every intention that I hope to meet it at that time. And sometimes I do sometimes I don’t, but unless I break up those little pieces, Yeah, I usually get overwhelmed and I push it on the back burner, push it out, push it out.

So I, I love that. 

Kellan: And step five is called relentless execution, the relentless execution isn’t whips and chains, and beat yourself to death and go, go. It’s not that even though relentless execution might sound like that. It is a very special process for doing one. When you have a great day, you get a lot done.

You feel good and like a wind at your back. And it’s like, yeah. And then you have mediocre days that are kind of like, oh, you know, some things go, well, a lot of things don’t and you tough it out and hope tomorrow’s better. And then you have rotten days where things just fall apart. When I do a [00:25:00] very imperfect survey of people, they tell me usually, well, I might have 10 or 15%.

Rotten days, and I might have 50 or 60 or 70% mediocre days where stuff is. Okay. You know, a few things happened, few things don’t and I just hope two hours better now only have five or 10%. Great. And I asked simply the question, what would it, what would it do to your productivity and your spirits? If 75% of your days were great days where you felt like the wind was at your back, you were in flow and you had all the power and vision you want it.

And people say, well, I get five times a night. Ah, you know, that kind of talk. Right? And so relentless execution is about how to have 75% great day. 

Deanna: Oh, my gosh, this is definitely a book that every entrepreneur should have on their bookshelf. And it’s not just a one-time raid. [00:26:00] This is a go back and read it again and read it again until you master all five of these steps. 

This, this is amazing. I can’t wait to get my hands on this and read it. 

Kellan: Um, I I’ve already written, but it’s not published yet. A guide, an application guide does nothing, but over and over again, places to write and to draw and to do your goals and to do the things. So it’s going to be a little bit bigger than the six by nine, probably seven by ten.

With lots of places to do it. Even though in the book itself, I did put some spaces to write down your goals, but that’s only once. So it’s very much meant to be a go do this. It’s not read it and say, oh wow, that was cool because that’s going to be useless. 

Deanna: Right. Absolutely. It’s almost like, you know how most people will say, well, these are the books I want to read.

I want to read like a book a month. Right? And then beginning of the year, this is almost like, just put this on your calendar for every January or every December to reread it [00:27:00] and to set those initiatives and those goals in motion with whatever it is that you want to achieve in creating your ultimate life.

So how can we buy this book? How can we. 

Kellan: You know, one of the benefits of having a weird name, like Kellen Flueckiger is that I’m really easy to find. So if you put my name in Google, there’s thousands of hits from not only my coaching work in the last 10 years, but the executive career before that, all that stuff I told you about not the bad stuff.

That’s not in, that’s not in there, it’s in the books, but it’s not on Wikipedia. It’s not on a Google yet forever. I hope. But anyway, So there’s thousands of hits from all that other stuff. If you put my name in an Amazon, all the books and all the music, I’ve done a dozen albums, I’ve been in performing groups, et cetera, et cetera.

So on, on all social media, I mean, like there’s only two Kellen, fluky years in the world and the other one’s my son. So you, if you w if you want to [00:28:00] find me or the books or get in touch with me, my emails, you know, Coach Kellen, Fluckinger gmail.com. I have no trouble getting the website of my name. Right.

Because there aren’t any, so who else would want www.kellenflueckiger.com. Okay. So I’m not hard to find on LinkedIn or Facebook or whatever. And so if you want it. Uh, if I can help you in some way, or if you want to talk and see what, whatever, that’s fine, I’m easy to find. So that’s how awesome. 

Deanna: And I’m going to have all of those links that Kelling just mentioned.

They’re all in the show notes. So just head down, scroll down and check out the show notes and you are going to see all the links so that if you want to purchase a book, if you want to reach out to Kellen and say, Hey, or hire him as a coach, you can do that. So. Kellan. Thank you so much for joining me today.

I appreciate you being here so much. I love everything you shared. I’m super [00:29:00] motivated now to, to go and do all of these steps. Get that book and dive deeper into these steps so I can continue creating the ultimate life. So thank you so much for being here today. 

Kellan: You’re welcome. And again, I want to end by honoring the work that you do and the effort that you’re making to add good to the world.

I just want to leave everybody with one thought. If you’re here and you want to get. There’s no question that there is a road from here to here. The only question is, are you or me, but are you willing to do the work that it takes to walk that path? That’s it? There’s a road. Are you willing to walk? 

Deanna: That’s a beautiful word to end this on.

So thank you for sharing that. All right, everybody. I will catch you next week. We’ll see ya. Yeah. Thanks for listening. If you enjoyed this episode and you’d like to support the [00:30:00] podcast, please share it with others or post about it on social. Yeah, I would love if you can even leave a rating or a review, the more ratings that I have, the more people that this podcast will reach to catch the latest for me, you can follow me on instagram@carbonsilk.digital, or my personal Instagram account.

Deanna, Hinsz. Thanks again. And I’ll see you next time.

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